Judging was a joke, as always. They ignored huge UR on Liu's 3A (why ladies 3A URs always ignored?) while made up false edge and UR call for Usacheva's 3F+3T combo. Yeah, she had bad landing there and the combo probably shouldn't get positive GOE - but it was rotated nevertheless. She had delayed exit on that 3T - similar to Valieva's exit on her combo, btw - but having turn on the exit while completing movement of a free leg to back - doesn't mean that the jump is still being rotated on the ice. That, and her edge was clearly inside - as far as I remember she never got flip edge calls before.
Also TP was as inconsistent as it can get. Just compare Urushadze vs Kurakova calls, for example. For Urushadze they decided to be as strict as they can - and called all her 2 URs despite them being pretty small. Kurakova on other hand URed all her jumps except 2A (i.e. 3 URs) - and they called only one. One of the two uncalled Kurakova's URs (3Lo<) was huge too. Is it fair in relation to Urushadze's treatment? Of course not. But in ladies judging TP work double standarts pretty much a given already :sarcasm: I realize that my constant grumbling irritate some people and they can think that it's just tiny insignificant details and what is important is personal impressions from performances etc. But you know what? With proper calls placements would be different. As long as fs considered a competitive sport - placements will be important. Therefore being overly picky about technical details is justified - as long as you interested in fs as a competition and not just a show.
Contrary to that TP work in JWC men's event was while strict - but many times more consistent and fair :thumbsup: They gave many calls to everybody evenly - from unknown skaters to podium favorites. I have some theories about why there is always such a difference between tech panel approach to men and women calling. One of them is political - in environment with one country domination they try to boost up other competitors as much as they can. Other - weak ability to rotate jumps fully by majority of ladies comparing to men. If called strictly and fairly - most of ladies protocols will turn in carrot fields - leaving on top with huge unreachable scores gap mostly young Russians - who rotates triples without issues due to brutal jumping drills training environment and low weight. So ISU probably don't want that as this will be bad for sport image? Idk :scratch3: Nevertheless - what is unfair - remains unfair despite what good reasons it can be justified with.
PCS's judging was a joke as well. Shabotova was shamelessly robbed getting mere 22 points in PCS only because she was in first flight - for example. Despite having one of the best skating skills in the whole tournament. It's pure reputational judging - they just don't care what skater shows on the ice at all. Haein Lee and Liu were overscored through the roof also. Their level of skating skills and transitions is much weaker than Usacheva's and Khromykh's level - yet they got the same or better PCSCircus.
Again, what annoys me is not that my favorite Russians can be beatenIt's just that when people see how real talents are assessed in comparison to mediocre skaters, how they allowed to be trampled over easily - their taste of what is good skating skills, performance and elements becomes skewed, twisted and wrong. Which results in sincere belief that their overscored favorites really deserves such scores and they begin demand and expect them later - completely losing ability to discern what real quality is. Raising such fans is making figure skating a disservice.
No, my angle is better. In your angle the camera is too close to the ice surface - it causes strong distortion of perspective. Still, even in your time code you can see that Liu jumps towards the camera under 45 degree angle - not parallel to it. And she landed with pick facing directly the camera. But because camera is so low - you can't perceive her movement in depth properly.
Ha, if you had just left it at Liu there might have been some fig leaf, but citing Lee as someone who was "overscored through the roof" in PCS immediately marks you as someone without any sort of objectivity (to the extent that such a thing is possible in a sport that has inherently subjective aspects).It's pure reputational judging - they just don't care what skater shows on the ice at all. Haein Lee and Liu were overscored through the roof also. Their level of skating skills and transitions is much weaker than Usacheva's and Khromykh's level - yet they got the same or better PCS
The poster was obviously (as I understand it) referring to the basic level of prerotation inherent in performing the jumps. The only jumps that are even theoretically possible with no prerotation are the flip and Lutz, and even with those most skaters have at least a little bit; Hanyu's Lutz in ideal conditions, for instance, is as close to no-prerotation as you'll see anywhere.
