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WHYYYYY are people still arguing about the freaking Olympics??
Are you joking?
You all here start topic about what Cizeron and Papadakis said WRONG, not good and not a lot enough about v/M not considering which kind of stuff Scott and Tessa said earlier. It is not like you said, why are you talking like that? you start whining about what they said wrong while all those years Scott with his big ego talked too much . So maybe you with Matt.k should give a pass to P.C and let them talk freely when Scott many years back SPOKE HIS MIND ,without any problems and he didnt received any critism from you and you didnt seem to bother
This is what I am arguing: there are two ways to get a costume violation. Either a piece falls on the floor or the costume is deemed inappropriate. PC did not get a violation, so saying the costume cost them is untrue. If it affected their performance, there is no way to quantify that.
Actually, yes. A little bit less on twizzles (not very significant), but when she held back the dress into the PSt, it was during her double twizzle, and she wobbled enough not to get level 4, the rest was very clean. So that is 1.5 point less - without counting GOEs on that PSt (knowing that they ofte received the maximum in the past).
Of course, a wardrobe malfunction was not going to cost them deductions. You're 1 milimeter away from exposing yourself, why would anyone want to put you down even more ? It happened twice at these Olympics, and nobody should have to choose between losing 5 points for stopping (!!) and dignity. Hopefully ISU might take action. Well, one can dream :angry2:
Actually, yes. A little bit less on twizzles (not very significant), but when she held back the dress into the PSt, it was during her double twizzle, and she wobbled enough not to get level 4, the rest was very clean. So that is 1.5 point less - without counting GOEs on that PSt (knowing that they ofte received the maximum in the past).
Of course, a wardrobe malfunction was not going to cost them deductions. You're 1 milimeter away from exposing yourself, why would anyone want to put you down even more ? It happened twice at these Olympics, and nobody should have to choose between losing 5 points for stopping (!!) and dignity. Hopefully ISU might take action. Well, one can dream :angry2:
Yes, the other couple got the deduction IIRC. Yes, Gabby wobbled on one part of her twizzle and it got downgraded, but as you say they other parts of the twirled sequence were clean. I see it all as part of the competition. Saying the costume cost them is still a cop out to me (it's part of the competition to secure your costume) and is disrespectful to the other competitors. I am not unsympathetic to it on the personal side, but on the competitive side it is what it is, IMO.
Yes, the other couple got the deduction IIRC. Yes, Gabby wobbled on one part of her twizzle and it got downgraded, but as you say they other parts of the twirled sequence were clean. I see it all as part of the competition. Saying the costume cost them is still a cop out to me (it's part of the competition to secure your costume) and is disrespectful to the other competitors. I am not unsympathetic to it on the personal side, but on the competitive side it is what it is, IMO.
To be clear I 100% prefer V/M and was happy they won.
But I think it is fair to say that had the costume not malfunctioned, there existed the possibility that the result would have been different. That is not disrespectful.
Given that both of you (IceCastles1814 and GoldenBoy) have joined the forum fairly recently and your posts seem to be revolving around arguing pedantics in here, I really encourage you guys to think about how you actually want to contribute to the discussion here.
To be clear I 100% prefer V/M and was happy they won.
But I think it is fair to say that had the costume not malfunctioned, there existed the possibility that the result would have been different. That is not disrespectful.
Given that both of you (IceCastles1814 and GoldenBoy) have joined the forum fairly recently and your posts seem to be revolving around arguing pedantics in here, I really encourage you guys to think about how you actually want to contribute to the discussion here.
We don't know exactly why the wardrobe mishap happened. Gaby never simply put on her costume---she always was sewed into the costume by a seamstress, who apparently didn't do such a good job on the most important occasion of the Olympics. Maybe the seamstress used the wrong thread, or didn't properly anchor the stitches, but the failure happened almost immediately after Gaby stepped out onto the ice. Once she realized her costume wasn't fastened properly, her attention was not 100% on skating the program to her best ability, but much of it was diverted to just keeping her costume from slipping off altogether. That had to affect PCS scores in addition to technical errors arising from posture changes needed to keep the costume in place.
Note that this costume had been sewn on Gaby by the seamstress all season and again at Worlds with never a failure. The lone failure happened at the Olympics.