2015 Four Continents Pairs Free Skate Feb 13 Seoul Time

[Violet Bliss]

Look at everyone's scores. The judges were all over the place with their GOE.

So many + and - GOE on the same elements! And the range is quite huge in some pairs' elements, as well. The judging in this competition (the FS at least) seemed sort of weird overall.

People also complain otherwise about "Corridor Scoring".

 

[peg]

Some of those GOEs are a little puzzling. For example, D/R's last lift received a -1 and a +3 for the same element (5 judges gave them +2, o the -1 is a little )

 

[oleada]

Compared to what D/R were receiving, P/T deserve every point of their PCS and then some. I actually don't agree with them medalling overall, but that was a breathtaking performance (to be fair--I missed the beginning and the jumps. Were they terribly disruptive? :scratch.

I wouldn't say it was disruptive, no. But I disagree about breathtaking. It was the same type of LP they've always skated; nothing special. IMO, of course. But really in terms of judging criteria, I felt they are overmarked in skating skills and transitions and choreography in particular. They don't use the music at all. I really hope they don't get this kind of generous judging in China for Worlds. But it'll be in China so, they probably will. :sarcasm:

I agree that D/R are overmarked in PCS as well.

Correct. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9h5nc9aUrA @ 2:45
Compare to the GPF https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7aVoI68DcY@ 2:35

I know they have an intriguing entry into the first part of the spin, but what got it invalidated? I've rarely seen an invalidated Pair spin.

I think I've seen it before (God knows when or where) and I think it's when they don't get low enough or don't get enough rotations. I think McLaughlin/Brubaker had an invalidated pairs spin when he accidentally lifted her off the ice. But who knows, I could be thinking of death spirals. It's late.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

It's sad though to see the protocols and know that some arguable tech calls denied S/H the silver. :disapp:

Lots of level 3 lifts called, too... seems the tech specialists were out for blood.

 

[Skater Boy]

Mixed feelings right now. Happy for Peng/Zhang, even happier for Pang/Tong, but can't help feeling a little sad for Sui/Han. They delivered the best mix of difficulty and good execution. A part of me thinks that under 6.0, they could've been gold, rather than off the podium.

Well I don't think it would be fair to knock D and R off the podium either though. I mean what else could the judges do? I suppose they could have left Sui and Han or Pang and Tong off but in this case it was fair that one Chinese team not medal.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

So why did their pair spin not get recognised??

We need Mrs. P up in here!

 

[aftertherain]

Some of those GOEs are a little puzzling. For example, D/R's last lift received a -1 and a +3 for the same element (5 judges gave them +2, o the -1 is a little )

LOL. That stuff always happens though. I find myself puzzling over GOE at every single event...

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

Well I don't think it would be fair to knock D and R off the podium either though. I mean what else could the judges do? I suppose they could have left Sui and Han or Pang and Tong off but in this case it was fair that one Chinese team not medal.

Nobody is arguing that D/R shouldn't have won - and by a lot of points at that (consider their SP, too). Just that their PCS were high (especially compared to P/T).

 

[burntBREAD]

Some of those GOEs are a little puzzling. For example, D/R's last lift received a -1 and a +3 for the same element (5 judges gave them +2, o the -1 is a little )

There are mixed GOEs in every single pair's protocol tonight -- all 10!

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

Some of those GOEs are a little puzzling. For example, D/R's last lift received a -1 and a +3 for the same element (5 judges gave them +2, o the -1 is a little )

Yeah... I/M's final lift got from -2 to +2.

 

[Sandpiper]

Nope, they weren't disruptive, and Pang recovered nicely on her second 2A in the sequence after singling the first one. They didn't disrupt the performance, but you can't just go out and do doubles and expect a near personal best PCS (regardless of their artistic superiority over D/R).

Well, I personally think it's fine as long as mistakes don't disrupt the program and most of the tech content is of a high level (I mean, it's not like they did Takahashi/Kihara content/quality).

Still reeling about S/H... Is this the new rivalry? S/H vs. Technical controller.

 

[Alchamei]

Some of those GOEs are a little puzzling. For example, D/R's last lift received a -1 and a +3 for the same element (5 judges gave them +2, o the -1 is a little )

That's worse than in Sochi.

 

[Mrs. P]

We need Mrs. P up in here!

Haha, I'm going to have to do some research. Pair spins are not exactly my forte,

 

[gopatrick]

Haha, would I be the only one getting the Pairs podium prediction right

 

[Skater Boy]

I wouldn't say it was disruptive, no. But I disagree about breathtaking. It was the same type of LP they've always skated; nothing special. IMO, of course. But really in terms of judging criteria, I felt they are overmarked in skating skills and transitions and choreography in particular. They don't use the music at all. I really hope they don't get this kind of generous judging in China for Worlds. But it'll be in China so, they probably will. :sarcasm:

I agree that D/R are overmarked in PCS as well.



I think I've seen it before (God knows when or where) and I think it's when they don't get low enough or don't get enough rotations. I think McLaughlin/Brubaker had an invalidated pairs spin when he accidentally lifted her off the ice. But who knows, I could be thinking of death spirals. It's late.

I do think had p and t skated relatively clean they deserved higher pcs than D and R but they didn't. They fell and struggled on a jump - far more interruptive than any problem D and R had. But I just love their classic beauty and lyricism Even in the short - though I do think he needs a stylist - he looked like a waiter in a cheap outfit in the short. You know the one in a Chinese Restaurant they do banquets - it just looks a bit off.

 

[GF2445]

Taking a look at Sui and Han's spin, did they meet the requirements?? I'm not sure. I'm checking for rotations and how long they held each position for.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

There are mixed GOEs in every single pair's protocol tonight -- all 10!

As in + and - on individual elements, right? Yeah, that's peculiar indeed.

 

[peg]

LOL. That stuff always happens though. I find myself puzzling over GOE at every single event...

There are mixed GOEs in every single pair's protocol tonight -- all 10!

Yeah... I/M's final lift got from -2 to +2.

It does seem a little more extreme tonight than most comps.

 

[yuki]

Correct. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9h5nc9aUrA @ 2:45
Compare to the GPF https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7aVoI68DcY@ 2:35

I know they have an intriguing entry into the first part of the spin, but what got it invalidated? I've rarely seen an invalidated Pair spin.

The one thing I've noticed is that at the GPF they had more revolutions in the last (upright) position - that doesn't seem like enough reason to invalidate the whole element, though?

 

[Meoima]

Drama from the judges.
I expect worse to come in men.