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So if its set in stone then why hold the event.
This question comes up every four years as the IOC tries to decide whether ice dancing should actually be an Olympic sport.
So if its set in stone then why hold the event.
they score higher??yeah , french with with one level3 and one 4 gets over 119, canadians with the same level ,one 3 and one 4 gets 117 so???? so french when they get two levels4 will score almost 121, v/m 119 +
It will be set in stone this weekend. Ready to bet a very large sum that P/C will score 120+ with the FD this weekend. It will be very hard for V/M to overcome that, especially if they only have 1 level 3 and everything is already at a 4. It's a PCS thing, and by this point in the season, the judges have basically already decided what PCS will be given to each team. V/M just won't get enough PCS to overcome the gap that will occur in the FD scores, even if they lead after the SD.
They will go down as one of the greatest teams in history.
Their quality is undeniable.
The problem is, the things that favored them in their rivalry with D/W: depth of edge, body line, extension, connection, are no longer advantages when compared to P/C today.
They will go down as one of the greatest teams in history.
Their quality is undeniable.
The problem is, the things that favored them in their rivalry with D/W: depth of edge, body line, extension, connection, are no longer advantages when compared to P/C today.
Visually, I think Tessa looks better now than in 2014, when she was almost as broad as Scott.
for me, those could actually be still advantages in comparison, but lost its significance/impact/magnitude on preference showed. New quad, new teams, new dynamic and new perspective created and influenced mostly by French team post-Sochi - it's no really a wonder why Ice Dance seems to be evaluated through Gabriella/Guillaume's work.
This question comes up every four years as the IOC tries to decide whether ice dancing should actually be an Olympic sport.
During what I like to call The Lawrence Welk Era (ie pre-Torvil and Dean's Bolero) this was a legitimate concern. But now, it's just churlishness. If P/C has ushered in the era of Modern Dance being acceptable, the Marlie/Voir era really accelerated the athletic side of ID. Think I'm kidding? Go back and look at the years between Bolero and the quad culminating in the Vancouver Olympics. Look at how basic and simple things like lifts are. Step sequences. Twizzles. Really, Marlie/Voir should be credited for elevating the discipline and making the "is ID really a sport?" question essentially rhetorical. Of course it is.
Whether ice dance should be thrown out may be questionable, but whether the terms "Marlie" and "Voir" should be thrown out is not. They're the dumbest names ever and I can't believe people are still using them.
Whether ice dance should be thrown out may be questionable, but whether the terms "Marlie" and "Voir" should be thrown out is not. They're the dumbest names ever and I can't believe people are still using them.
What I meant is that they were truer to "old school ice dance" when they were with Marina. More focus on holds, skating close, traditional ballroom style. Their last two SDs have definitely been out the box, and their FDs are much more open, according to the direction the sport has taken. It's not a critique. The whole sport has change a lot, and I'm glad we got the chance to see two different versions of Tessa and Scott. They are great at both, so more power to themThis is one place where I do have to disagree. V/M have always taken a dance-focused approach to their skating. It's why their SDs are generally so good, and how they created programs like Carmen, their Latin FD, and Pink Floyd (which even P/C liked). They did suffer through a lot of injuries so I think they weren't able to compete to the best of their ability between 2010-2014, which is probably what prompted the comeback (among other reasons they have stated).
I have watched skating for many many years - I am relatively knowledgeable. While I anticipate surprises during the Olympic season, I have also come to expect some "sure things" - and here is the issue.
I do not get Virtue and Moir. He appears to be perpetually scowling and angry - she does not have lithe -like quality of Gabrielle P. I watched their programs with and without music - I do not see or feel anything spectacular. Looking at their competition - Papadakis and Cizeron have a mystical quality, The Shibs have "like-ability" and Cappellini and Lanotte ooze warmth.
Explain what I am missing?
People really down play how amazing Scott is. P/C really benefited from an easier scoring system. When they have to match lines or perform patterns like the Ravensberger Waltz, it ends up looking bad. There is a reason that they don't get good scores in the SD when they are in the same competitions as V/M.I've never warmed up much to Virtue/Moir either--I'm sure part of that stems from of the post-Sochi stuff where their fans claimed that the fix was in for Davis/White, despite D/W having gone two years without losing a competition. The public grousing by Scott didn't help.
That said--here's what I see as V/M strengths: really deep edges and smooth skating--truly excellent skating skills; terrific unison--it helps to have been skating forever--it's not an accident that other teams with amazing unison (D/W, the Shibs) have also been skating together forever.
And Tessa. Scott's good, but Tessa's the strongest female ice dancer out there. Excellent balance and SS, strong, flexible core, good lines, good rhythm, connection to the audience. Kind of the flip of P/C, where Gabrielle is a lovely presence, but Guilliaume has that incredible flexibility and line that you just don't see with other men.
Sometimes I like to imagine what a Tessa/Guilliaume pairing would be like.
During what I like to call The Lawrence Welk Era (ie pre-Torvil and Dean's Bolero) this was a legitimate concern. But now, it's just churlishness. If P/C has ushered in the era of Modern Dance being acceptable, the Marlie/Voir era really accelerated the athletic side of ID. Think I'm kidding? Go back and look at the years between Bolero and the quad culminating in the Vancouver Olympics.
I don't think we should downplay the athleticism many teams displayed in-between Torvill/Dean's Bolero and the Canton teams in Vancouver.
I don't think we should downplay the athleticism many teams displayed in-between Torvill/Dean's Bolero and the Canton teams in Vancouver. Many pre-IJS ice dance programs were full of difficult steps, displays of athleticism, pure body movement and actual dance, and pure intricacy and in closer holds than what we see now. I mean however you feel about Oksana Grishuk, I'm still in awe at her athleticism when I watch videos of Grishuk/Platov. I think when ice dance started to become more objective and more about individual elements (after 1998 or 1999) that's when it became something one could compare more with today's style of ice dance. That said, there's still a way ice dancers really paid attention to body movement and intricacy back then that most don't do now with some exceptions obviously. I think Meryl/Charlie and Scott/Tessa can be credited for taking the itemized elements and really pushing it to the fullest while keeping the execution up (I'd argue V/M were more successful at that than D/W though D/W really pushed the rushed athletic side).
Yes.
Lifts increased in difficult throughout the 1980s, 90s, and 2000s because ice dance rules started out very restrictive in what kinds of lifts were allowed, how high the man's hands could travel above his waist? then shoulders? then head?. They wanted to make sure that ice dancing did not look like pairs.
Ambitious teams pushed the boundaries of what was allowed at the time and sometimes suffered deductions. The ISU dance tech committee then decided to allow some moves that had previously been illegal. The top teams continued to push boundaries, and lift rules got loosened to allow even more options, then tightened again, and then codified under IJS where the rules for lift levels actively encouraged teams to display athetic lifts that would have been frowned on or actively penalized 20 years earlier.
So thank all the teams that pushed the boundaries of their times, and thank the less reactionary members of the ISU dance committee who opened up the restrictive lift rules.