2015-16 Grand Prix Final Short Dance

[semosk8tfan]

I feel sick. Could be the disappointment I feel over the treatment of my Shibs by the judges...could be all the chocolate I ate to calm my nerves during the Jr Dance....or a good combination of the two.

 

[VIETgrlTerifa]

If the Shibs skate well tomorrow, they will place fourth. The judges will give them the best scores that they've received this season for "Fix You" but use that as a way to give PCS in the mid to high 9.0s for the anointed teams so that way they can start giving out 10.0s by 2018.

 

[NoNameFace]

Unless the Italians do a complete wipe out, it is not happening for the Shibutanis. The judges have slotted the teams, and they will stay that way.

I can not get over the Italians being in front of H/D and S/S. In my opinion the highlight of the competition were the teams that finished 4th and 5th.

and this is the thing I have the biggest problem with - judges scored teams before competition, then scored them with that pre-programmed margins and then here is no chance of any shake-up (unless splatfest) in standings. No matter how brilliant/better programs will be presented before judges' favs seeded for FD, they won't go above them. It is a real shame in Ice Dance

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

Okay, I just rewatched the SD -- Luca did one extra turn than Anna in their first set of twizzles.

How the heck can this be considered synchronized twizzles if he does one more rotation? :shocked:

 

[Giselle]

So S/S and C/B are the only teams who did not get level 4 for both patterns of the RW.

 

[blue_idealist]

I don't think I'll ever understand ID. It seems the judges already have their minds made up before the whole thing starts. Just look at how neatly the PCS marks go in a perfect descending order as you scan the components. It's kinda silly how they just put teams about .20 points apart in each component. As if they didn't exhibit any different strength and weaknesses from each other.

B/S are higher than H/D in two categories..

 

[Mrs. P]

Philosophically, there is actually much to be encouraged about regarding the Shibutanis, however, looking at the protocal:

1.) The judges, as far as +GOE, consider them pretty much on the same level the folks above them: 7.59 (Chock/Bates) 7.24 (Weaver/Poje) 6.92 (Shibutanis), 6.19 (Cappellini/Lanotte)

2.) The PCS difference between the top team (Weaver and Poje) and the Shibutanis is 2.12 points. A year ago, the difference was 2.89 points.

3.) Last year the Shibs earned 33.34 in PCS in the SD, just now 35.14.

4.) While the levels were lower than everyone else, it's an improvement for them. Last year in TES they only earned 30+ and three level 2 elements.

So the judges ARE warming up to the Shibs little by little. Really as others pointed out it the waltz levels that sunk them slightly, but not as bad as they have sunk themselves in the past.

 

[MIM]

C/L are quick and compact. I don't know the rules, maybe they satisfied all the requirements for the higher levels. But they didn't look impressive. The edges were too shallow and program looked too packed. I feel for Shibs.

 

[eta]

I had a meeting at school so I couldn't watch the SD but reading your comments made me think that it might've been a good thing, since I really hoped for a (high) podium place for Shibs if they were to do well.

(Though I'll still watch them on YouTube later and be sad then...)

 

[Heleng]

FWIW -- Cizeron/Papadakis was 5th after the SD and rose to 3rd with their strong FD last year.

Thank you. That gives me hope for the Shibs! I'm still stuck in the mindset of the old system, where couples rarely changed places after the SD.

 

[Dots]

I don't think I'll ever understand ID. It seems the judges already have their minds made up before the whole thing starts. Just look at how neatly the PCS marks go in a perfect descending order as you scan the components. It's kinda silly how they just put teams about .20 points apart in each component. As if they didn't exhibit any different strength and weaknesses from each other.

You said it best. When you look at the scores, it's so obvious the judges were just going on autopilot. It's not honest judging because it's base on politics only.

 

[zschultz1986]

How the hell were C/L's twizzles graded POSITIVELY? Seriously, Ice Dance judges, you're terrible.

 

[mrrice]

I don't think I'll ever understand ID. It seems the judges already have their minds made up before the whole thing starts. Just look at how neatly the PCS marks go in a perfect descending order as you scan the components. It's kinda silly how they just put teams about .20 points apart in each component. As if they didn't exhibit any different strength and weaknesses from each other.

100 Correct!!! When I was Judging we were told in no uncertain terms that we were to pick a clear winner and be prepared to explain why. These marks are clearly too close for the event that I just watched. The Shibs didn't get a screaming standing ovation for nothing and of all the teams, I think they were most underscored I've seen in a while. It's sad to me that these scores lessen the thrill of the event for me but, they do. It was a well skated SD and I hope the Ladies skate clean no matter how the scores turn out.

 

[caitie]

Okay, I just rewatched the SD -- Luca did one extra turn than Anna in their first set of twizzles.

How the heck can this be considered synchronized twizzles if he does one more rotation? :shocked:

lol smh

I wish the Shibs had been able to skate with the last group, I feel if they had they would have had pumped up PCS and GOE as well. Argh.

 

[wordsworthgirl]

It's Anna and Luca's placement that really bothers me. They are simply not skating at the level of C/B, W/P, S/S, or for that matter, H/D as far as edge quality, smoothness, etc. They have shallow edges, stiff posture, and only one note/mode that they perform successfully: happy, cheerful, playful (at times manic). Their win at Worlds outraged me, and their placement here does as well. And I find them adorable, charming, and fun to watch, not to mention gorgeous. However, they are not first-rate ice dancers. End of Story!

 

[mrrice]

lol smh

I wish the Shibs had been able to skate with the last group, I feel if they had they would have had pumped up PCS and GOE as well. Argh.

This is a sad but true fact in judging and it happens in every subjective sporting event in the world.

 

[gravy]

All in favor of reinstating D/W, V/M, & P/B say I. This was one boring competition.

 

[Dots]

All in favor of reinstating D/W, V/M, & P/B say I. This was one boring competition.

No it wasn't a boring competition, at least S/S and H/D were exceptional.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

This a sad but true fact in judging and it happens in every subjective sporting event in the world.

So true. But I can't get over the twizzles. He literally did one more rotation - everyone saw it. It would be like if the tech specialist marked a quad as a triple, and nobody knew any wiser.

 

[WeakAnkles]

Unless the Italians do a complete wipe out, it is not happening for the Shibutanis. The judges have slotted the teams, and they will stay that way.

I can not get over the Italians being in front of H/D and S/S. In my opinion the highlight of the competition were the teams that finished 4th and 5th.

They don't want a North American sweep. And since the Russian teams can't get it together (hey, just sayin'...), C/L are being slotted into the bronze spot to make sure that a sweep does NOT happen.