This was mentioned early on in the thread and I still don't have an answer for it :confused2:
Yeah, I suppose no one can (even the rule book can't) answer for this mystery except judges...
This was mentioned early on in the thread and I still don't have an answer for it :confused2:
This was mentioned early on in the thread and I still don't have an answer for it :confused2:
I don't agree. Satoko has been on the scene longer than Higuchi. She is a World silver medalist, a 4CC champion and a two-time GPF silver medalist. She is a proven competitor. Higuchi didn't do well at World's last year (11th)or at 4CC's (9th). She has done well this year, but is not yet established as a top competitor. I like Wakaba very much and hope she is on the Olympic team. But the Japanese federation would be crazy not to want Satoko on the team. And so far, she is giving them good reasons to choose her.
You'd be surprised watching that on a hfp dartfish camera. He does pre-rotate and it's more and 90 degrees.
Who knows. Osmond's flutz even is far more ugly than Higuchi's lip.
No, it's not. It's only unfair if you take the rights of the person who has benefited this whole time from a non-application of the rules, as those who matter the most. If a rule exists, and someone suddenly squeezed them to start applying it, then tough luck to those who have been benefiting from the non-application. They knew the rule was there, it was their risk to take. Other people haven't been following the rules because they're fools but because they're there to be followed.
But now, yes, we should totally make sure to coddle those who have been relying on cheating their jumps even more. Ha! I'd love nothing more if suddenly someone at the Olympics butchered their jumps to pieces! That'd teach everyone a lesson not likely to be forgotten.
But now, yes, we should totally make sure to coddle those who have been relying on cheating their jumps even more. Ha! I'd love nothing more if suddenly someone at the Olympics butchered their jumps to pieces! That'd teach everyone a lesson not likely to be forgotten.
That means that in the ISU's interpretation PR does not mean the same thing fans want it to mean.
You'd be surprised watching that on a hfp dartfish camera. He does pre-rotate and it's more and 90 degrees.
You'd be surprised watching that on a hfp dartfish camera. He does pre-rotate and it's more and 90 degrees.
No it doesn't. Or you may think that is what it means and I'll disagree with you. It just means ISU is not applying the rule. The same way that steps before a solo in the SP is a rule that is not being followed, or only occasionally when the skater in question is someone way lower on the ladder. There's nothing to "interpret" there, they just get collective amnesia when one of the big guys doesn't have the steps. So as far as I am concerned, just like nobody should get a warning that this rule is suddenly going to be applied, the same goes for prerotation.
What I would agree with is that of course, say slow mo is suddenly allowed for PR issues, everyone is especially notified of this, after it's included in the rules. Otherwise no.
Actual skaters on the board have disagreed with this definition of PR so let's not pretend like the definition and rule are established and agreed upon.
Also, there's a big difference between a clear rule that is inconsistently applied rule and a rule that is never applied. Some judges do apply the steps before and some don't. At least folks are on notice that steps are required and they can take the risk to get it called or not. I don't know of examples where PR has been called the way fans want it to be called. That calls for some kind of notice and not just a sudden change in interpretation.
Actual skaters on the board have disagreed with this definition of PR ....
Jason Brown thinks he has the best 3A in the world.
You never hear any figure skating commentators complaining about his or Satoko's pre-rotations, ever.
It's funny that some people think they know more than the tech specialists regarding the pre-rotation. Here is the thing. The reason why Shoma, Satoko and any others who have been accused of cheating(pre-rotating) don't get called out for pre-rotation is because the tech callers don't consider them pre-rotated, period. I do agree though, that Shoma's flip, lutz(flutz) are not great and Satoko's jumps are so tiny and not good at all but they are still not cheated according to the judges and tech callers. You never hear any figure skating commentators complaining about his or Satoko's pre-rotations, ever. I do call them out if their jumps are underrotated. So just get over yourselves. Some of you guys repeat the same thing over and over. We heard you, trust me. It's annoying.