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Again : I didn't say anything about the video
I would love if you did, thanks
Again : I didn't say anything about the video
Okay, well I didn't really see this video as being about a world record since that fact was barely mentioned apart from the title, but you are right that the ISU does not recognize world records (seeing how 3 of the 5 highest ladies' free skate scorers of all time came from WTT last weekend, actual numerical scores are completely meaningless to me now).
But, as an adult skater, this video was incredibly educational to me. I realized how many different steps there are in figure skating (I can only do mohawks and 3-turns and how much speed and power Yuzuru is able to gain from these difficult transitions while keeping the number of crossovers to single digits! I was able to see some small gems I missed in his program (the besti squat, the fleeting spread eagles throughout the step sequence). I realized that almost every spin position he does is a variation (the layback camel, the broken legged sit spin). And I learned that the hydroblade is actually a type of spiral As a beginner skater, this is both incredibly impressive and also motivating.
I'm also incredibly impressed by the fans who took the time to make this video, including listing out the edges (RBI, LBI), it must have taken days and a very strong magnifying lens curse: to the cameramen of this event!). Thank you all so much
I don't think they're trying to argue about what GOE he should have gotten. They listed out the bullets for GOE and highlight the one they think the execution hit nicely. It is quite a fair way to explain GOE criteria. Because judges at Helsinki are entirely different people from the makers of this video.An impressive amount of work went into this video, so hats off to the people who worked on it.
The way it presented the GOE scores was a bit confusing. It first presents the GOE that the creators of the video believe that Yuzuru should have gotten on the element (though they don't label their opinions as an opinion--that's what makes it confusing), followed by the GOE that he actually got, followed by what the maximum GOE is (these two are labeled as such). Since the GOE that the creators propose is typically higher than what he actually got, the video makes the case that he was underscored, even though it presents itself as a "celebration" video. It seems like it's trying to have its cake and eat it too. It's a celebration video? An objective, educational video? A video arguing that Hanyu is underscored?
It has a lot of valuable, educational skating information about Yuzuru's program, but the video loses the stance of complete objectivity by inserting its argument on what Hanyu's GOE should've been. It would have been equally enjoyable, and perhaps less open to criticism, had it kept the opinion part on the GOE out of the video, or labeled those scores as the opinions of the creators of the video.
Since the GOE that the creators propose is typically higher than what he actually got, the video makes the case that he was underscored, even though it presents itself as a "celebration" video. It seems like it's trying to have its cake and eat it too. It's a celebration video? An objective, educational video? A video arguing that Hanyu is underscored?
An impressive amount of work went into this video, so hats off to the people who worked on it.
The way it presented the GOE scores was a bit confusing. It first presents the GOE that the creators of the video believe that Yuzuru should have gotten on the element (though they don't label their opinions as an opinion--that's what makes it confusing), followed by the GOE that he actually got, followed by what the maximum GOE is (these two are labeled as such). Since the GOE that the creators propose is typically higher than what he actually got, the video makes the case that he was underscored, even though it presents itself as a "celebration" video. It seems like it's trying to have its cake and eat it too. It's a celebration video? An objective, educational video? A video arguing that Hanyu is underscored?
It has a lot of valuable, educational skating information about Yuzuru's program, but the video loses the stance of complete objectivity by inserting its argument on what Hanyu's GOE should've been. It would have been equally enjoyable, and perhaps less open to criticism, had it kept the opinion part on the GOE out of the video, or labeled those scores as the opinions of the creators of the video.
An impressive amount of work went into this video, so hats off to the people who worked on it.
The way it presented the GOE scores was a bit confusing. It first presents the GOE that the creators of the video believe that Yuzuru should have gotten on the element (though they don't label their opinions as an opinion--that's what makes it confusing), followed by the GOE that he actually got, followed by what the maximum GOE is (these two are labeled as such). Since the GOE that the creators propose is typically higher than what he actually got, the video makes the case that he was underscored, even though it presents itself as a "celebration" video. It seems like it's trying to have its cake and eat it too. It's a celebration video? An objective, educational video? A video arguing that Hanyu is underscored?
It has a lot of valuable, educational skating information about Yuzuru's program, but the video loses the stance of complete objectivity by inserting its argument on what Hanyu's GOE should've been. It would have been equally enjoyable, and perhaps less open to criticism, had it kept the opinion part on the GOE out of the video, or labeled those scores as the opinions of the creators of the video.
http://chibura.tumblr.com/post/138749555520/nhk-trophy-the-unforgettable-chopin-balladeI wish hanyu fans would do the same for seimei and ballad 1, so I can get educated about how a top program is constructed.
Sure, you input to this thread was really positive and profoundwhere do i ever bash yuzuru? show me. I refrain from negatively speaking about skaters.
Actually, I'd love to see official ISU videos like that after each season and for every discipline (at least 4 videos total selected among the best) with bullets for all elements and GOEs.I don't think they're trying to argue about what GOE he should have gotten. They listed out the bullets for GOE and highlight the one they think the execution hit nicely. It is quite a fair way to explain GOE criteria. Because judges at Helsinki are entirely different people from the makers of this video.