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Exactly. Liza's programs are quite ordinary, as is her presentation…
Eye of the beholder,Guy.
Exactly. Liza's programs are quite ordinary, as is her presentation…
It's really insulting to technically brilliant skaters to diminish their athletic feats by dismissing them as "unartistic". I'm sure many people think Reynolds' SP or Goebel's 2002 LP or Brandon Mroz's 4Z SP aren't particularly great artistic programs in the grand scheme of things, but there's no denying they made history and will be remembered for that.
I also don't understand why you are bringing Lip into this. She has the worst sportsmanship and the worst personality out of the lot, I don't understand why those have become such attractive qualities since the 2014 champion. :sarcasm:
Miss Ice said:...and it's pointless to try to convince me or thousands of other people who share my view, otherwise.
Well, it's a matter of opinion - some value artistic excellence more than technical, and vice versa. I fundamentally view figure skating as a sport, so I appreciate skaters who push technical boundaries even if they aren't the most artistically seasoned. Especially given pairs skating has arguably stagnated over the past decade technically speaking.
I think I've acknowledged that D/R have artistic limitations. But my argument is that you don't have to be the most artistic/romantic team out there to be memorable and to give a powerful performance. The awe some people get from an artistic performance is the same awe I get from their technical performance.
Basically, a skater could go out there and land 5 quads but be utterly unartistic, and another skater could attempt no quads but be beautiful to watch, and people will still dismiss the former because of their lack of artistry.
You particularly emphasize the technical side of the sport, but not everyone has the same opinion as you do.
From my years of following this forum, it appears that the skaters who (by general consensus) are best loved and remembered are the skaters who have made significant impact on fans' emotions and appealed to their artistic sensibilities in some way.
What's wrong with different strokes for different folks?
Or some of the same folks enjoying different skaters with different strengths?
Midori Ito seems to have been much beloved, and her main claim to fame was her jumps.
Poor Duhamel and Radford. They are the best pairs skaters in the world. Now eveyone is getting on their case because thay are not the best of all time.
Poor Duhamel and Radford. They are the best pairs skaters in the world. Now eveyone is getting on their case because thay are not the best of all time.
...From my years of following this forum, it appears that the skaters who (by general consensus) are best loved and remembered are the skaters who have made significant impact on fans' emotions and appealed to their artistic sensibilities in some way. There's a reason why Gordeeva/Grinkov are remembered much more fondly than Valova/Vasiliev, and it's not because of Gordeeva/Grinkov's quad twist. It's the same reason why Alexei Yagudin tends to be much more beloved than Timothy Goebel...