2017 CS Finlandia Short Dance

[Lota]

I actually think Gabriella's dress looks really nice : to each their own I guess

I take that back, what is Betina wearing? :shocked:

 

[bramweld]

And dear Lord, why do all the men have to act like they're going to a Samba Wake? There are other colors besides Black. Many many many other colors. Heck at this point I'd even settle for a pocket square in another color.

My 2 cents or 4;

1. I really like the Danes, really like them. Their scores can and should get closer to the 70 mark!!! Yes judges you need to
back them up!!
2. I am really looking forward to what C/B, C/L, the Shibs bring.
3. P/C were not bad today, but they didn't grab me. I think V/M have them beat hands down in the short.
4. I found S/B okay. They should be concerned about going head to head with teams like Coomes and Buckland because their
dance is empty and disjointed. Their skating skills are fine but against more sophisticated and cohesive programs they will not
fare so well as they did today. But they did look happy with what they did today and that's always nice to see.

 

[WeakAnkles]

I see your point. I think the couples and music choices we are discussing and will be discussing this year (PC, VM) are not quite that extreme. Most of their pop or rock music does not have a beat added but was originally recorded with it (but I understand this was not your main point).

All in all, I don't think these particular couples are stretching the boundaries and rules too much. We'll have to wait and see if ISU decides they need to be more clear in their rules and decide to phrase them so that music has to fit the spirit of the required rhythms as well.

Admittedly I have yet to see P/C's SD, so I genuinely do hope they make it work. I'm a huge fan. But I still think saying Ed Sheeran and latin dance have any kind of relationship that isn't tenuous at best, is like saying Chef Boyardee is fine Italian cuisine.

YMMV of course.

 

[auser]

Maybe i have stayed up too long but this team makes me wish that there is a 2017/2018 version of the Flintstones where Wilma is an ice dancer(its the dots in her costume)

 

[Vinyame]

Ok, I'm quite new in the figure skating world and, for sure, I don't fully understand the scoring system yet. But can you give me your opinions about McNamara&Carpenter's sd? They were the first ice dancers I saw on youtube a few months ago and I actually started to enjoy ice dance because of them. So since then I really support them and hope that they'll stand on the podium in the future. I watched them at the Lake Placid International and ACI. They got really good scores at the first event, now it seems a bit overscored to me but I still think their skating was great. After watching ACI, I was a little bit dissapointed, because their score was a bit lower than at the LPI, but still, it was good. And today I got the impression that it was their best skate of the three they had so far and they didn't get even 60 points. I know it depends on the judges and I probably don't see many things, but I want to know, what do you think about this performance. Do you agree with the score? Sorry if I made any mistake, English is not my first language

 

[viennaskater]

Really like Popova and partner - surprised they were not marked higher

 

[Luna Cat]

Really like Popova and partner - surprised they were not marked higher

Me too. I wondered why the didn't get 60+.

 

[LaArdilla]

Really like Popova and partner - surprised they were not marked higher

I saw their FD live at Ondrej Nepela and really loved them! She's such a performer!

 

[WeakAnkles]

Really like Popova and partner - surprised they were not marked higher

Like M/C they're new, and there is still the residual hangover of "you have to earn your scores" in ID, though COP has done more for getting rid of that nonsense than in any of the other skating disciplines.

Oh Bettina, you never fail to entertain. Polka dots may be on trend, but the costume is hideous. And while you've learned to reign in your tendency to over-emote to a very alarming degree for the most part, you are still pushing the "expression" into the red at numerous points in this dance. But one thing you can say for all the Russian IDs--they always have such terrific fundamentals. They still need time to gel, but this is a couple to keep an eye on.

 

[auser]

Several Finlandia Trophy SD videos can be viewed at Brau Avitia's youtube channel:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCM_UaC4Afd9QAAXQowpJcrQ

Lorraine MCNAMARA & Quinn CARPENTER USA Short Dance Finlandia Trophy 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QggDeBROb9k

Yuliia ZHATA / Yan LUKOUSKI UKR Short Dance Finlandia Trophy 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a8ijCUDt7o

Cecilia TÖRN /Jussiville PARTANEN FIN Short Dance Finlandia Trophy 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR5j5SjvpKo

Nicole KUZMICHOVA / Alexandr SINICYN CZE Short Dance Finlandia Trophy 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56jmpTnpW-w

Katerina BUNINA / German FROLOV EST Short Dance Finlandia Trophy 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7OYDrEHN6o

Alexandra STEPANOVA & Ivan BUKIN RUS Short Dance Finlandia Trophy 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoaTzILdqnQ

Gabriella PAPADAKIS / Guillaume CIZERON FRA Short Dance Finlandia Trophy 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAfNPWDIl8c

Celia ROBLEDO / Luis FENERO ESP Short Dance Finlandia Trophy 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FfAIthMrS4

Shiyue WANG / Xinyu LIU CHN Short Dance Finlandia Trophy 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAFAbU6ny54

Laurence FOURNIER BEAUDRY & Nikolaj SORENSEN DEN Short Dance Finlandia Trophy 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8c4_IeoVrU

Natalia KALISZEK / Maksym SPODYRIEV POL Short Dance Finlandia Trophy 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-IiVkzbhi4

Lorenza ALESSANDRINI / Pierre SOUQUET FRA Short Dance Finlandia Trophy 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM_8Xd4p-f4

Lilah FEAR / Lewis GIBSON GBR Short Dance Finlandia Trophy 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QAKfO3Sa30

Carolane SOUCISSE & Shane FIRUS CAN Short Dance Finlandia Trophy 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RvV34UZUUk

FT 2017 Jennifer URBAN / Benjamin STEFFAN SD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEzJVObGVmA

FT 2017 Betina POPOVA / Sergey MOZGOV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWB5GNOigqw

Sara HURTADO / Kirill KHALIAVIN ESP Short Dance Finlandia Trophy 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_aTJcAlE-g

FT 2017 Juulia TURKKILA / Matthias VERSLUIS SD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoYV0EmYojA

 

[madison]

Omg, I've just seen Papadakis/Cizeron. What was that? :O
I think it's the first of all of their programs that I don't like.... The music cut is just .... and her dress I don't find it suitable with the music at all.

 

[Kutien]

	Name
1	Gabriella PAPADAKIS / Guillaume CIZERON	FRA	78.09	video
2	Alexandra STEPANOVA / Ivan BUKIN	RUS	70.27	video
3	Laurence FOURNIER BEAUDRY / Nikolaj SORENSEN	DEN	65.76	video
4	Carolane SOUCISSE / Shane FIRUS	CAN	60.50	video
5	Shiyue WANG / Xinyu LIU	CHN	58.50	video
6	Lorraine MCNAMARA / Quinn CARPENTER	USA	57.77	video
7	Betina POPOVA / Sergey MOZGOV	RUS	57.36	video
8	Sara HURTADO / Kirill KHALIAVIN	ESP	56.44	video
9	Natalia KALISZEK / Maksym SPODYRIEV	POL	55.60	video
10	Cecilia TORN / Jussiville PARTANEN	FIN	53.23	video
11	Celia ROBLEDO / Luis FENERO	ESP	50.90	video
12	Lilah FEAR / Lewis GIBSON	GBR	50.83	video
13	Nicole KUZMICHOVA / Alexandr SINICYN	CZE	49.59	video
14	Jennifer URBAN / Benjamin STEFFAN	GER	49.32	video
15	Lorenza ALESSANDRINI / Pierre SOUQUET	FRA	47.04	video
16	Juulia TURKKILA / Matthias VERSLUIS	FIN	46.00	video
17	Yuliia ZHATA / Yan LUKOUSKI	UKR	42.65	video
18	Julia BIECHLER / Damian DODGE	USA	41.89	video
19	Katerina BUNINA / German FROLOV	EST	32.00	video

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[Snow63]

Ok, I'm quite new in the figure skating world and, for sure, I don't fully understand the scoring system yet. But can you give me your opinions about McNamara&Carpenter's sd? They were the first ice dancers I saw on youtube a few months ago and I actually started to enjoy ice dance because of them. So since then I really support them and hope that they'll stand on the podium in the future. I watched them at the Lake Placid International and ACI. They got really good scores at the first event, now it seems a bit overscored to me but I still think their skating was great. After watching ACI, I was a little bit dissapointed, because their score was a bit lower than at the LPI, but still, it was good. And today I got the impression that it was their best skate of the three they had so far and they didn't get even 60 points. I know it depends on the judges and I probably don't see many things, but I want to know, what do you think about this performance. Do you agree with the score? Sorry if I made any mistake, English is not my first language

They have good basics, they're JWC and JGPF winners. However, their last junior season went not that well. They made mistakes, looked sloppy and overall skated worse than before. Probably ms.McNamara growth issues played some part in that. They lost their #1 US junior team spot and some reputation along with that. Now they seem to mostly overcome their problems, but they have lost all the momentum they had. They're fresh out of juniors senior team. If they continue to skate well their score will go up.

 

[madison]

Like M/C they're new, and there is still the residual hangover of "you have to earn your scores" in ID, though COP has done more for getting rid of that nonsense than in any of the other skating disciplines.

Oh Bettina, you never fail to entertain. Polka dots may be on trend, but the costume is hideous. And while you've learned to reign in your tendency to over-emote to a very alarming degree for the most part, you are still pushing the "expression" into the red at numerous points in this dance. But one thing you can say for all the Russian IDs--they always have such terrific fundamentals. They still need time to gel, but this is a couple to keep an eye on.

I like her costume, it's something different and more important suits her and the program .

 

[Snow63]

Stepanova/Bukin didn't get one key point correctly? Wow. I need to rewatch that

Protocols: http://www.figureskatingresults.fi/results/1718/CSFIN2017/CSFIN2017_IceDance_SD_Scores.pdf

 

[bramweld]

Stepanova/Bukin didn't get one key point correctly? Wow. I need to rewatch that

Protocols: http://www.figureskatingresults.fi/results/1718/CSFIN2017/CSFIN2017_IceDance_SD_Scores.pdf

Personally, they should be closer to the Danes. Whatevs.

 

[Anyasnake]

Stepanova/Bukin didn't get one key point correctly? Wow. I need to rewatch that

Protocols: http://www.figureskatingresults.fi/results/1718/CSFIN2017/CSFIN2017_IceDance_SD_Scores.pdf

If anybody knows what are the 3 key points, I'll be grateful ^^ I also think they should be closer to the Danes... even though they have incredible potential.

 

[Snow63]

Personally, they should be closer to the Danes. Whatevs.

I think I agree with you on that. Their dance doesn't look 'whole' to me.

 

[Andrea82]

3 judges called Music requirements violation to Popova/Mozgov

 

[pearly]

If anybody knows what are the 3 key points, I'll be grateful ^^ I also think they should be closer to the Danes... even though they have incredible potential.

I think it's steps 11-13 and 16. Here's more info on the rhumba pattern: http://www.skatinginbc.com/sites/default/files/technical-updates/diamond_dance_patterns_2.pdf


Edit: and what the panel is looking for are correct edges, correct free foot placement and correct turns.