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So that was very Russian drama program circa 1998
Much better than yesterday but still dumb mistakes
Russian ice dance is stuck in a bygone-days rut.
So that was very Russian drama program circa 1998
Much better than yesterday but still dumb mistakes
You're loosing your nerves.
in some ways, all the competition threads do this... during the thread, there are brief mentions of other contenders, especially those that haven't competed in the same events... for instance here, Shibs and P/C were mentioned because they haven't faced yet V/M.... and when the event has been done, people reflect about strengths and weaknesses of programs and teams... So I guess it's normal...
To get back on track : what made me the most sad is that Laurence and Nikolaj will stay home for these Olympics, with such a brilliant FD. I was also impressed by SinKats's FD... sure Rachmaninoff and old style of skating, but they performed it very well.... I am not sure they are Russian #3.
The FDs commented by Charlie White on the Olympic channel are available here : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOyQtuMFNZ2GR4CyIWMn7iw/videos
Very good for those who wants to understand the scores better.
SGabrielle looks cold, frigid.
Interesting, too that Charlie mentions at the end that Cappellini and Lanote's was his favorite FD. You can admire difficult elements and sexy moves but which program makes you want to watch again and again. For me, it was C/L's. It needs work but what potential for being something really special!
Re your first point:actually you have made the complaint that you don't like a piece of music because it is not what you expect .To say that you exclusively object to a piece of much because you don't think it works isn't true. the fact that you have previously objected music edits on these terms is a solipsism.
Re the second: Exactly, Beethoven played around with architecture. The fact you think the architecture can be only understood in your specified, limited terms is a solipsism.
Re:the third: is it on record that Beethoven thought that what he had created was final and should not be played around with. I really don't think it is. Unless you can provide a direct attribution otherwise, all the bolded points are further examples of solipsism.
As for my point about describing Moonlight Sonata as Gothic, I believe you previously listed a number of horror films for which it had been used as a soundtrack...........
and I would certainly not volunteer to provide this service for free.
The FDs commented by Charlie White on the Olympic channel are available here : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOyQtuMFNZ2GR4CyIWMn7iw/videos
Very good for those who wants to understand the scores better.
I tried in a brief method to share some insight with you, not to preach, not to educate you, simply to communicate how someone like me, and i am not alone, receives different choreographic and musical choices.
I was met with a closed door and to perhaps open it, I would need to go further in music history, music architecture, performance practice, make you read Beethoven's own letters, teach harmony and counterpoint and more over style... this forum is not the place to do so, and I would certainly not volunteer to provide this service for free.
I think Liz Punsalan made a good and plain point in that Skatin Lesson video on 2015 Worlds. She didn't think the French had the best skate in Shanghai but that the French showed abandon and freedom that people miss about "old skating", before the IJS turned it into somewhat of a collection of big elements.
H/D's FD this season achieves the blurring of technical requirements and freedom of dancing too, earthly and passionate, as compared to the French's ethereal and transcendent.
P/C: ethereal abandon isn't the only thing that's going on in that sonata. It's not just a romantic (little r) piece. There is a storminess is the presto, which is one of the things I love the most. There's a feeling of disappointment, and love gone wrong, perhaps the journey into deafness that they miss out on altogether. The music doesn't just speed up. There are layers. I think their interpretation of Build a Home was brilliant, here there is something missing.
^^ i have not watched the movie and never intend to do so... not my thing... i don't have any issues with the two songs juxtaposition.... i think the "i love yous" are very scott and tessa... and yes.. i agree.. Scott is on fire.... his facial expressions, the sharpness of his movements... gosh... there is a world of evolution with the guy from yesterday and mini scott from 8 years ago..
I thought V/M looked just a little tight here. They skated with more abandon at Skate Canada. I want to see abandon again at the Olympics. I think when they get comfortable hitting the levels it will come. I think hitting the levels is what they're focused on right now.
As for team gold, I think Russia is by far the favourite. They have the advantage in mens and ladies at this point; pairs is a bit of a toss-up and dance is in Canada's favour.
If you get a chance watch Strictly Ballroom. I think you'll get a kick out of it and the male lead is yummy.
I'm glad Charlie talked about how H/D could improve their interpretation: https://youtu.be/7O_vsGgjuhQ?t=5m49s
I think all of the elements of the program are there and I love the music, but I think the interpretation as sexy/romantic with Madison smiling during parts of it doesn't quite fit. They are missing the tragic/dangerous part of the song (and the singer's badass voice interpreting it). As the singer/songwriter said, the song is "about being with someone who’s the last person on earth you should be with. But there’s something attractive and addictive about being with a dangerous man."
When she sings "If I die I don't care I'm in love" it makes no sense for Madison to smile. Charlie says that he wants it to be more raw and I agree. There's still another dimension they can hit by the Olympics to make it truly transcendent.
The main thing is that in the second part of the program ,music is super fast. Very fast piano music, and it is very hard to translate into the ice through movements of the body. Even V/M wouldnt do it just like that I said once that they would have to be freaking Michael Flatley
But I think all of the Gadbois teams have some issues with their free dances this year (and I'm being nitpicky here--they are all amazing teams that I love):
V/M: the music is beneath them. There is no way they should be dancing to Ewan McGregor and Nicole Kidman. Their voices worked for the movie, but it leaves something to be desired for legends of the sport.
H/D: if you're going to use lyrics then you have to listen to them. That program is not just about sexiness, she is potentially in a very dangerous situation. If it was instrumental I wouldn't mind, but the lyrics are quite loud and clear.
Having said all of that, the Olympics will likely be decided on levels and twizzles.
Yes, yes, yes, to ALL of this, especially the part about liking (and in my case, considering myself a fan of) these teams -- not just one of them!
And also yes, I still do not like this FD for V/M even though they of course show their mastery and skill when they skate it. But it's beneath them for sure. I promise I won't keep saying it, but I still haven't warmed to it, unlike with, say, Carmen that I didn't like parts of at first, then grew to love by the end of the season. I still find Moulin Rouge, I don't know, an unworthy choice of program theme and music for legends like V/M.
H/D FD -- need to find some layers/nuances/light and shade somehow. Maybe P/C too, but I don't find Moonlight Sonata as lacking in nuance -- but maybe I need to re-watch it -- which I'm thrilled to do.