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How did it go for Paige Rydberg and Courtney Hicks at Regionals? Is there a link to their scores?
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I think when I looked, they finished 1 - Paige 2 - Courtney.
Unfortunately, Courtney did not score high enough to qualify for nationals there, only accruing ~70 points in TES. I hope she does better at Sectionals.
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So impressed by Bradie - she is such a fighther. I sadly don't feel much for her skating but there is no denying this woman maximizes the points and is strong. No real weaknesses. She just is't special but she is a fighter. She could podium come worlds with these skates - if she lands the 3lutz fully rotated.
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Well, it has been almost 48 hours since the conclusion of Skate America and Bradie’s FS score has not been revised. I think it’s safe to assume it won’t be. Outrageous that this kind of error is allowed to stand. World and Olympic championships have been decided on fewer points.
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And who told you that Brady and her coaches themselves want this? Who knows maybe after informal communication with the technical panel, they were explained that the technical panel can also review other jumps, and for example call:
3Lz<+3T<
3F!<+2T+2Lo
Since they are silent, then they are satisfied. There's nothing stopping them, right? Remember, for example, how last year Zakraichek complained about Vincent’s URs.
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Regardless of your opinion on how the lutz and flip should have been called, equating that with what actually happened is obscuring the problem. My issue is that the second lutz combination was called 3Lz+2T and I think we can all agree that is unequivocally incorrect. This is a factual inaccuracy, not a judgement call open to interpretation.
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And what, there is an unambiguous prescription, the ultimate requirement some protocol about such situation? (who knows, maybe there is, and I do not know, so explain and show me). I personally thought that such cases are solved behind the scenes in a close, personal cooperation. It is possible that there-on the sidelines explained that in fact, on some jumps, the technical panel was friendly to Bradie, and that it may cease to be so if Bradie, as they say in our country "starts to pump up the wave". Bradie and her coaching staff are silent, so ...
What does she need to get?
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Bradie has under-rotation problems... so does every other skater. However, I loathe the way in which misinformation is often spread online. Bradie’s first 3Lz+3T was not under, but her edge was flat and should’ve received a (!) AND her 3F would’ve been an (!) had the judges been stricter. Fans want judges to sit there, review all the jumps via slow motion cameras, and then look at the edge of the edge jumps intensely. That takes a good 15 minutes when you take into account the amount of jumps there are. If fans complain about 2-3 minute waiting periods... imagine if judges started doing that for EVERY SINGLE JUMP? The thing is, people don’t understand that if a jump looks fine in real time, it won’t be dinged for review. That’s why people who can hide their under-rotations like Satoko get away with so many under-rotated jumps. When did the narrative that American ladies are all carrot farms begin? As the old saying goes, “One bad fish can make an entire batch smell.”
According to the TES thread, she has high enough TES to qualify for 2020 Worlds (likely achieved last year).
That wouldn’t be good enough for 2020 Nationals?
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Does Sonja Hilmer go onto Sectionals, as she was in third? She is a lovely, yet little known skater.:yes:
See the ISU Constitution & General Regulations, rule 123, 4.A.
You can download the document here:
https://www.isu.org/inside-isu/rules-regulations/isu-statutes-constitution-regulations-technical
Basically, for this kind of error, any protest by the skater/coach/team leader would need to be made before the medal ceremony; otherwise the initial call stands.
If I understand the wording correctly, this kind of error counts as a field of play decision that is not subject to an official protest. But if the referee learns before the medal ceremony that such an error had been made, the ref can correct the error.
(Protests against incorrect mathematical calculation may be filed until 24 hours after the completion of the competition and results can be changed up to a day afterward for calculation errors.)
You can download the document here:
https://www.isu.org/inside-isu/rules-regulations/isu-statutes-constitution-regulations-technical
Basically, for this kind of error, any protest by the skater/coach/team leader would need to be made before the medal ceremony; otherwise the initial call stands.
If I understand the wording correctly, this kind of error counts as a field of play decision that is not subject to an official protest. But if the referee learns before the medal ceremony that such an error had been made, the ref can correct the error.
(Protests against incorrect mathematical calculation may be filed until 24 hours after the completion of the competition and results can be changed up to a day afterward for calculation errors.)
Top four move on to sectionals. (Or if any skaters who had byes to sectionals chose to compete, then top four without byes would move on.)
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Jenny Kirk has a masters in social work
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Does this ever happen, now that the math is done by computer and the software comes directly from the ISU?
The only time I remember a controversy about this was when Evan Lysacek and Johnny Weir got exact tied scores at U.S. Nationals, up to the last hundredth of a point. It developed afterward that the software that calculated the points used a different rounding convention from the wording in the ISU rules. If I remember correctly, nothing was done about that competition but they did make the appropriate correction for the future.
I have seen a couple of instances where the technical specialist just outright flubbed the call, calling an element that was not what the skater actually did. These are usually caught and corrected the next day. (I think there was one instance of this between the short and the long program at a major competition?)
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Oh, you might be right. I thought the qualifying score for Nationals had to be from this season, but that's probably wrong.
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Thank you for clarifying. This was my suspicion, but I didn't know what the appropriate resource was.
I am still shocked that the error made it through both the initial scoring process and the post-event, pre-awards review without being detected. I do not agree with the rule, but at least we know that it cannot be amended at this point. I wonder if this could be related to the software issues the ISU has been having. It wouldn't surprise me given the inconsistencies in the TV graphics, live results, and in-arena score announcements during Skate America.
There's also an open question on how this would affect the element's GOE. Even if the mistake was caught and the element changed to 3Lz+3T<, wouldn't the judges have to be given the opportunity to revise (presumably lower) their GOE on the element?
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If you talking with me - I agree with it. I talked about 3Lz+3T in a second half, that was called 3Lz+2T. Where was stepout. For me all jumps in this combo had problem with UR
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