2019 Four Continents: Ice Dance Pregame Chat

[Lamente Ariane]

I think F-B/S are going to exceed expectations here. I'm rooting hard for Weaver/Poje and Chock/Bates but Laurence and Nikolaj have real top five potential which would be a huge statement.

 

[TontoK]

I think F-B/S are going to exceed expectations here. I'm rooting hard for Weaver/Poje and Chock/Bates but Laurence and Nikolaj have real top five potential which would be a huge statement.

Who among the three American teams and two other Canadian teams do you think they can beat to make it into Top 5?

Barring a mishap from one of the top teams, and I'm not saying that couldn't happen, I don't see it.

i like the couple, don't get me wrong - but they're not ready to challenge the others.

 

[SnowWhite]

Who among the three American teams and two other Canadian teams do you think they can beat to make it into Top 5?

Barring a mishap from one of the top teams, and I'm not saying that couldn't happen, I don't see it.

i like the couple, don't get me wrong - but they're not ready to challenge the others.

Hawayek/Baker would be the team for them to beat. There's a big gap between the top two Canadian and US teams, and H/B score-wise, so they are by far the most vulnerable. If FB/S beat H/B, that would be an upset, but not a massive one.

 

[TontoK]

Hawayek/Baker would be the team for them to beat. There's a big gap between the top two Canadian and US teams, and H/B score-wise, so they are by far the most vulnerable. If FB/S beat H/B, that would be an upset, but not a massive one.

They might beat H/B... who knows, stranger things have happened... but H/B were a GPF team, and if FB/S beat them, I think it WOULD be a massive upset.

Note: I'm not particularly rooting for any outcome. Of American dance pairs, H/B come in at about #5 on my list of favorites. Maybe #6.

 

[SnowWhite]

They might beat H/B... who knows, stranger things have happened... but H/B were a GPF team, and if FB/S beat them, I think it WOULD be a massive upset.

Note: I'm not particularly rooting for any outcome. Of American dance pairs, H/B come in at about #5 on my list of favorites. Maybe #6.

They were a GPF team mainly due to P/C getting hurt and missing NHK (they were 4th at IdF). At the GPF, there was a huge gap between the top four teams, and the 5-6 teams. Stepanova/Bukin at 4th had 196.72, Zagorski/Guerreiro at 5th had 184.37 and Hawayek/Baker had 184.04. Making the GPF was a big accomplishment, and is one of the reasons it would be an upset for FB/S to beat them. But it's a mistake if you see them as near the same level as the top teams just because they made the final (when P/C, C/B and W/P were all missing, for context).

Take a look at the SB list. There's the top 7 teams (Chock/Bates don't have an official SB yet) in the 200s to high 190s, then a big gap, then several teams in the low 180s. Weaver/Poje has a 197 SB, whereas H/B have a 184. There's a huge difference between a team like Fournier Beaudry/Sorensen beating Hawayek/Baker and them beating one of the top 2 US or Canadian teams. The first is an upset, then second is a massive upset.

 

[readernick]

It's not an official SB though. Only CS, GP, JGP, Euros, 4CCs, Worlds and WTT count for SB. Senior B scores only count for tech minimums. So they aren't on the SB list yet.

Oh, I see. Thanks for the information.

 

[readernick]

They were a GPF team mainly due to P/C getting hurt and missing NHK (they were 4th at IdF). At the GPF, there was a huge gap between the top four teams, and the 5-6 teams. Stepanova/Bukin at 4th had 196.72, Zagorski/Guerreiro at 5th had 184.37 and Hawayek/Baker had 184.04. Making the GPF was a big accomplishment, and is one of the reasons it would be an upset for FB/S to beat them. But it's a mistake if you see them as near the same level as the top teams just because they made the final (when P/C, C/B and W/P were all missing, for context).

Take a look at the SB list. There's the top 7 teams (Chock/Bates don't have an official SB yet) in the 200s to high 190s, then a big gap, then several teams in the low 180s. Weaver/Poje has a 197 SB, whereas H/B have a 184. There's a huge difference between a team like Fournier Beaudry/Sorensen beating Hawayek/Baker and them beating one of the top 2 US or Canadian teams. The first is an upset, then second is a massive upset.

Agree, I would say that FB/ S looked quite messy as the fd went on at Canadian nationals. The beginning was great by the end it was quite sloppy. If they skate like that here, I don’t see them beating H/B. But, if they have cleaned up their programs it is possible. I like their style.

 

[humbaba]

Tech panel for 4CC:

TC-- Halina Gordon Poltorak

TS-- Marie Bowness

ATS-- Svetlana Lyapina


I think Bowness is from Canada. If so, this means Weaver/Poje will go into Worlds not having faced a non-Canadian TS this season.

 

[dorispulaski]

Tech panel for 4CC:

TC-- Halina Gordon Poltorak

TS-- Marie Bowness

ATS-- Svetlana Lyapina


I think Bowness is from Canada. If so, this means Weaver/Poje will go into Worlds not having faced a non-Canadian TS this season.

Interesting! Svetlana Lyapina is Jonathon Guerrero's mother. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svetlana_Liapina This will be good for the Aussies! She coached ice dance in Australia for some time.

 

[BillNeal]

I think Bowness is from Canada. If so, this means Weaver/Poje will go into Worlds not having faced a non-Canadian TS this season.

W/P got 3 level 2's in their RD with Shae Zukiwsky (CAN) as TS at ACI earlier in the season (and Halina Gordon Poltorak as TC there as well). Also, Marie Bowness was TS at Worlds 2018 and H/D had a 1.5 BV advantage over them in each program. W/P hasn't really benefited from a Canadian TS in their two most recent comps.

I think what's more relevant with regards to Weaver/Poje is that they have been working with Virtue/Moir on their TR pattern during the tour and you can really see the improvement in their RD since ACI.

 

[dorispulaski]

Planned program content for RD and FD is here:

http://cloud.isu.org/index.php/s/EN...les=fc2019_IceDance_PlannedProgramEntries.pdf

 

[NoNameFace]

Don't laugh @ me (too hard), but I had a dream today where Andrew had splat fall during his twizzles, like proper belly flop. Let it be a good omen!

 

[dorispulaski]

There is a live report thread here:


https://www.goldenskate.com/forum/s...-Continents-Practice-Reports-and-Live-Reports

 

[sworddance21]

I must say, I am impressed by the progress Australia's top two dance teams have made this season, compared to last.
It's an all around improvement. I hope they will be able to skate well next week.

Am I reading the start lists correctly that Andrew Dodds competes BOTH mens singles and dance? That's amazing!

 

[DSQ]

Am I reading the start lists correctly that Andrew Dodds competes BOTH mens singles and dance? That's amazing!

And he was amazing last night in the SP. This much talent is not ment to exist in one man!