I was thinking earlier in the season that there should be some provision in place to make such changes especially in a post Olympic year when we see skaters and teams retiring. I mean they change the seeded skaters according to retirements why not world entries. And not just in dance. Even in men's results this season the USA only has 1 man in the SB top 20 yet they get to send 3 to worlds while Italy which has 4 in the top 20 only get to send 2.
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oh happy day ... but for the canadians, surprise, surprise.
But they deserve this victory and it is great for them.
When someone is fighting again and again over the years with different elements, it is not coincidental, it is a problem of skating skills.
I remember former posts here praising the great look of Chock and Bates. I do not deny, both are very handsome people.
Bot IMO they are not among the best skaters regarding their blades, their lines f.e.
Their lifts - well, thy take benefit from their bodies composure. Lifts are much more difficult whithout that height difference (H/B oder G/F) or even the woman is a little bit stronger and not as tiny as Chock is. And when you need a sheet of paper to explain the content, story telling is something I can not take serious.
Finland should be very interesting. Can Gilles and Poirier earn the points they got before again? And what about Hawayek and Baker?
Could they polish the RD, getting 83 or 84 points for it - their FD is amazing ... so may they can rise on the occasion and complete the numbers of medel contenders this year. I would appreciate that very much.
But they deserve this victory and it is great for them.
When someone is fighting again and again over the years with different elements, it is not coincidental, it is a problem of skating skills.
I remember former posts here praising the great look of Chock and Bates. I do not deny, both are very handsome people.
Bot IMO they are not among the best skaters regarding their blades, their lines f.e.
Their lifts - well, thy take benefit from their bodies composure. Lifts are much more difficult whithout that height difference (H/B oder G/F) or even the woman is a little bit stronger and not as tiny as Chock is. And when you need a sheet of paper to explain the content, story telling is something I can not take serious.
Finland should be very interesting. Can Gilles and Poirier earn the points they got before again? And what about Hawayek and Baker?
Could they polish the RD, getting 83 or 84 points for it - their FD is amazing ... so may they can rise on the occasion and complete the numbers of medel contenders this year. I would appreciate that very much.
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USA, Japan and China went for Chock/Bates 1st
Others with FB/S first also in PCS
Poland, USA, Canada, China, France for Green/Parsons
Germany, Lithuania, Finland, and Japan for Reed/Ambrulevicius
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USA, Japan and China went for Chock/Bates 1st
Others with FB/S first also in PCS
Poland, USA, Canada, China, France for Green/Parsons
Germany, Lithuania, Finland, and Japan for Reed/Ambrulevicius
OK, I wake up to these stunning results. Haven't had a chance to watch it yet, but huge congrats to FB/S on the huge upset win. They have now solidly overtaken Lajoie/Lagha for the second spot to worlds, and I could not agree more with this:
How teams are allocated to worlds is so imperfect. I remember after the Olympics when, due to Gabby and Kaetlyn Canada had three spots in women's, which the country clearly didn't need, given how weak the field was underneath them. Or look at Spain finally having two ice dance spots when they no longer need them because both of their top teams have retired (and was that ever an injustice that both of those teams couldn't go to worlds — all those long, ridiculous years).
If I'm Chock/Bates, I'm panicking right now. What I would do: skip the grand prix final, where it's likely they'll lose to teams they can't afford to lose to and go back to the drawing board on the FD. The RD is in OK shape with the score they put up here, but they need a wholesale change to show the judges on the FD. They're in the tough position of not really being able to go back to an old FD either, because they already used the snake program for two seasons, and by the end of the second it was far less effective, and the astronaut program is too recent. Their only hope is to knuckle down and create something memorable, cannibalizing the best parts of the current FD into something completely new.
as both teams clearly deserve to be there with Piper and Paul. Lajoie/Lagha are a team on the rise who will be badly hampered by not being able to get to worlds. They were unlucky in their GP draw this season, hitting events where there were already two strong teams ahead of them, where other fields were much weaker and they could have been going to the GPF in other circumstances.
How teams are allocated to worlds is so imperfect. I remember after the Olympics when, due to Gabby and Kaetlyn Canada had three spots in women's, which the country clearly didn't need, given how weak the field was underneath them. Or look at Spain finally having two ice dance spots when they no longer need them because both of their top teams have retired (and was that ever an injustice that both of those teams couldn't go to worlds — all those long, ridiculous years).
If I'm Chock/Bates, I'm panicking right now. What I would do: skip the grand prix final, where it's likely they'll lose to teams they can't afford to lose to and go back to the drawing board on the FD. The RD is in OK shape with the score they put up here, but they need a wholesale change to show the judges on the FD. They're in the tough position of not really being able to go back to an old FD either, because they already used the snake program for two seasons, and by the end of the second it was far less effective, and the astronaut program is too recent. Their only hope is to knuckle down and create something memorable, cannibalizing the best parts of the current FD into something completely new.
Rain - I was wondering as well if C/B might skip the GPF. But they may wait and see how H/B do next week - if H/B score better in the RD C/B may not want to meet them at the GPF and end up being the USA #2 there. In which case LaLa would probably be the next in line to go to the GPF.
The thing is, it's not just Hawayek/Baker they need to be worried about. Yes, it would be pretty catastrophic for them to lose their cache as US #1, but they also don't want to lose to FB/S again, which is a possibility now, Guinard/Fabri and Gilles/Poirier. Have they even faced Fear/Gibson yet? No, I don't think they should face these teams with the material they have, and they need all the time they can get if they in fact change the FD — which I think they definitely need to do. If they can come out looking like a new team again at U.S. nationals, then head to 4 Continents they can maybe get back on track. But what the results at this competition show is that not only are they now not favourites for world gold, they are even in a stiff fight to remain on the podium.
I disagree. I think it is captivating and beautifully skated. It has come a long way in recent weeks, and shows off so many great aspects if this team, including G/P's versatility. I loved it.
Yes he said in an interview at Skate Canada that his grandmother who he recently lost always wanted them to skate to Gershwin so this is in her honor. Sweet.
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I don't know if I agree about skipping GPF when they clearly need more competitive experience before Nationals, but agree that Madi and Evan should be on high alert. But I also think that next week will be telling for Gilles and Poirier, because they could be on the same trajectory as last year, getting a big score at a home GP that they never manage to replicate again... Hawayek/Baker are a real threat to them this season, especially since they have already gotten feedback from multiple judging panels.
The big takeaway from this season for me so far is that September/early October senior Bs are very important in ice dance right now-- all the teams who could get away with skipping them in the past are out of the mix right now (Shibs, Papadakis/Cizeron) and it's essential to test your material outside of your home country early on.
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And it’s a beautiful piece of music. But I still say that the choreo is lacking, and barely scratches the surface of this team’s capabilities.
Imagine if they had come out with last year’s FD THIS season, with Hubbell & Donohue out and Chock & Bates looking underprepared out of the gate. Or, imagine if they had something equally amazing this season. We would be having a very different conversation!
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I have to admit at this point I like the three Canadian teams but especially the Danadians and Piper and Paul. I do think the Italians and Chock and Bates will come back with a vengeance but one would hope or think Canada should get a medal come worlds in ID.
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I really love La/La, but FB/S had a fantastic performance here, aided by the skirt. That is the second time this season that skirt really partners with the dancing duo. Other than that, I really liked L/B and D/T. I actually liked C/B FD too, and if they won wouldn’t have seen anything strange
So, if there's a song called "In This Skirt", it should qualify for a nice ID program as Singles skaters like to use "In This Shirt"?
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I have to admit at this point I like the three Canadian teams but especially the Danadians and Piper and Paul. I do think the Italians and Chock and Bates will come back with a vengeance but one would hope or think Canada should get a medal come worlds in ID.
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Yes, Mrazkova/Mrazek should do it next year. I’ll all accept Dat Skirt! or Skirt, Skirt, Skirt!
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For those wondering... Here are the season's best scores so far. (and why it is sad Canada has only two spots for Worlds... 2 teams in top 3, 3 teams in top 6, 4 teams in top 12).
| Standing as of 19.11.2022 10:33 UTC | ||||||
| Rank | Name | Country | Event | Date | Score | Level |
| 1 | Piper GILLES / Paul POIRIER | CAN | ISU GP Skate Canada International 2022 | 29/10/2022 | 215.70 | S |
| 2 | Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI | ITA | ISU GP MK John Wilson Trophy 2022 | 13/11/2022 | 213.74 | S |
| 3 | Laurence FOURNIER BEAUDRY / Nikolaj SOERENSEN | CAN | ISU GP NHK Trophy 2022 | 19/11/2022 | 210.41 | S |
| 4 | Lilah FEAR / Lewis GIBSON | GBR | ISU GP Skate Canada International 2022 | 29/10/2022 | 209.18 | S |
| 5 | Madison CHOCK / Evan BATES | USA | ISU GP NHK Trophy 2022 | 19/11/2022 | 209.13 | S |
| 6 | Marjorie LAJOIE / Zachary LAGHA | CAN | ISU CS Budapest Trophy 2022 | 16/10/2022 | 202.40 | S |
| 7 | Kaitlin HAWAYEK / Jean-Luc BAKER | USA | ISU GP Skate America 2022 | 23/10/2022 | 202.07 | S |
| 8 | Caroline GREEN / Michael PARSONS | USA | ISU GP Skate Canada International 2022 | 29/10/2022 | 194.19 | S |
| 9 | Evgeniia LOPAREVA / Geoffrey BRISSAUD | FRA | ISU CS Budapest Trophy 2022 | 16/10/2022 | 192.85 | S |
| 10 | Allison REED / Saulius AMBRULEVICIUS | LTU | ISU GP NHK Trophy 2022 | 19/11/2022 | 189.98 | S |
| 11 | Marie-Jade LAURIAULT / Romain LE GAC | CAN | ISU GP Skate Canada International 2022 | 29/10/2022 | 189.07 | S |
| 12 | Kana MURAMOTO / Daisuke TAKAHASHI | JPN | ISU CS Denis Ten Memorial Challenge 2022 | 28/10/2022 | 188.30 | S |
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