2017 GP Skate Canada Free Dance

[La Rhumba]

I mean... you're correct that Gabriella and Guillaume could get another medal than silver...

They certainly could win the FD at Olympics, as they have a better program than V&M.

 

[Purv]

They certainly could win the FD at Olympics, as they have a better program than V&M.

Actually think the key to P/C's success this season will be their short program. If they pull off a lively, sexy and precise SP and have that as a contrast to their big romantic LP they'll give V/M a run for their money

 

[Cherry blossom]

They certainly could win the FD at Olympics, as they have a better program than V&M.

:roll9:

 

[La Rhumba]

Actually think the key to P/C's success this season will be their short program. If they pull off a lively, sexy and precise SP and have that as a contrast to their big romantic LP they'll give V/M a run for their money

I totally agree. They showed good rhythmical body movement at Finlandia, and I love the costumes, just slightly disappointed they chose Ed Sheeran. But they interpret it well. It all depends on those step sequence levels.

 

[La Rhumba]

+10 PCS for skating to Pride and Prejudice. I really enjoyed that. I think she really lives that music.

The film score not a patch on Carl Davis's original music for the BBC series from 1995. The best dramatisation of P&P ever! There's only one Mr Darcy and that's Colin Firth. Plus Kavita & Joti's costumes didn't reflect the century the story is set in. All wrong! But I like this couple.

 

[La Rhumba]

I could see them as Mr. Bingley and Jane

Mr Collins and Charlotte Lucas, I'm afraid.

 

[rain]

The film score not a patch on Carl Davis's original music for the BBC series from 1995. The best dramatisation of P&P ever! There's only one Mr Darcy and that's Colin Firth. Plus Kavita & Joti's costumes didn't reflect the century the story is set in. All wrong! But I like this couple.

The 1995 BBC series is the definitive version as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Astrid56]

Well, he's tall with dark hair, but he doesn't have a "hot" face.

He's quite handsome ... He reminds me of Colin Farrell http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/9800000/Colin-Sexy-Wallpaper-colin-farrell-9829234-1024-768.jpg, :think:

 

[missysays]

I would not use the word tacky either. Ewan McGregor's singing is pedestrian, but it worked in the context of a schmaltzy pastiche film (which I really enjoyed). I think of Scott and Tessa as legends of the sport, so the music choice is not ideal. Having said that their A++ skating and dancing elevates the piece--just not to classic program levels. I similarly thought that the Sam Smith part of their FD cheapened the overall effect but I would never call them tacky.

I completely agree Tessa and Scott are world class skaters and they make this FD more than it actually is. But count me as one of those who was utterly surprised when I saw this FD... I mean did they really come back for their third go at an Olympic gold with a FD to Moulin Rouge?! It doesn’t make any sense to me. It doesn’t show any artistic stretch or growth. It is executed extremely well but this isn’t even one of their best FDs.


H/D’s FD on the other hand is something interesting and unique. And I’m saying this as someone who was never really a fan of theirs.

Will be interesting to see how things unfold throughout the rest of this season.

 

[ManyCairns]

I would not use the word tacky either. Ewan McGregor's singing is pedestrian, but it worked in the context of a schmaltzy pastiche film (which I really enjoyed). I think of Scott and Tessa as legends of the sport, so the music choice is not ideal. Having said that their A++ skating and dancing elevates the piece--just not to classic program levels. I similarly thought that the Sam Smith part of their FD cheapened the overall effect but I would never call them tacky.

I never called them tacky -- I said the PROGRAM is tacky. Upon repeated viewing for me it is still sadly so, in parts. But Tessa and Scott are assuredly legends of the sport in the best possible way.

 

[viennaskater]

Not sure how the Russian team's program was at all connected to Chicago, but he's really good.

They hardly skated to the music at all. Can't understand how they were given enough points to end up in 5th place - should have been last. It was the only programme of the free dance which was not good.

 

[lauravvv]

Weirdly enough I find a contradiction with the FD : it starts very strong, athletic, acrobatic, but I wonder if the step sequences are properly placed in the programm. They attack those sequences with a slightly slower music : the Cist on the slower part of Roxanne and the Dist on Come What May. The thing is, they are excellent with steps when the music is fast (just look at the SD), so it gives a contrast when it's slower (and it gets better once the music is faster). I think that's why they got 2 level 3's (not just because of the bobble on the Cist, it actually felt a tiny bit slower).

Just my 2 cents.

It's obvious that there is still so much that you don't know about ice dancing. How the technical panels give levels to step sequences has nothing to do with whether the steps are faster/more energetic or slower, and/or whether you or the specialists on the technical panel like them skating on faster music more than on slower music. It doesn't work that way at all. There are specific rules and details about assigning levels to step sequences which have nothing to do with personal preferences. Levels are given for the precision of edges/clear (deep) edges in each step of the sequence (in the SD also timing is very important). Tessa had a vsible bobble in the Cist (she very likely was so much into the emotion of the program that she lost concentration for a moment there), that's why they got level 3 for it. I did not see why they got level 3 for the Dist, but some people on FSUniverse (I think) saw a tiny bobble also there. In any case, it doesn't even have to be a visible stumble or anything, a non-clear edge from one of the partners on one step is enough to not receive level 4.

 

[Anyasnake]

It's obvious that there is still so much that you don't know about ice dancing. How the technical panels give levels to step sequences has nothing to do with whether the steps are faster/more energetic or slower, and/or whether you or the specialists on the technical panel like them skating on faster music more than on slower music. It doesn't work that way at all. There are specific rules and details about assigning levels to step sequences which have nothing to do with personal preferences. Levels are given for the precision of edges/clear (deep) edges in each step of the sequence (in the SD also timing is very important). Tessa had a vsible bobble in the Cist (she very likely was so much into the emotion of the program that she lost concentration for a moment there), that's why they got level 3 for it. I did not see why they got level 3 for the Dist, but some people on FSUniverse (I think) saw a tiny bobble also there. In any case, it doesn't even have to be a visible stumble or anything, a non-clear edge from one of the partners on one step is enough to not receive level 4.

I've skated (Ice Dance exclusively) 10 years. My former coach is also an international Technical Specialist. I know a bit (Okay I'm bragging with the 2nd part, that doesn't mean anything, and I'm not trying to pick a fight don't worry )

In the rulebook it's said that in order to reach level4 it's clear steps, deep edges etc, but I remember seeing that you have to keep the speed during the step sequece (either you gain speed or you don't lose it). And I found that the Dist was a bit slower than what I could have imagined from V/M (I didn't find this in Latch for example, in the construction of it) and that was maybe why they got level3 even though it was very clean(I didn't see a bobble, maybe the camera angle made us not see it ?). Nothing to do with personal preference of course, I actually really liked the performance. And I didn't mean slower/faster step actually, I was really talking about keeping the speed, I think I was a bit misunderstood.
That's why I didn't get why WeaPo got level4 on their Dist (I think) because they could have done clearer edges. V/M's and H/D's were much much better and they both got level3.

All the top teams (maybe from 1 to 12 in the worlds or even everyone) has their step sequeces choregraphed to reach level 4 (number of turns, of twizzles, etc). Only few teams managed to reach that level, but I have to admit, it's been only 2 GPs, and I don't know how many teams have had this level4 on steps, whether it's in the SD or FD : Shibs, B/S, V/M, WeaPo, H/D... that's actually an unusual number for the beginning of the season.

 

[dcnative]

And of course the overscoring of C/L will continue so...

 

[viennaskater]

What? Cappellini and Lanotte? Are they often overscored?

 

[TangoTraumatica]

In order to receive level four on that step sequence, both partners need to cleanly execute a series of four complex turns (rocker, counter, bracket, double twizzle) on one foot. Tessa bobbled on the twizzle, hence, level 3.

(Need to re-watch to find the mistake in the diagonal!)

EDIT: It's Tessa's LFI counter in the first third of the step sequence. It goes flat before she makes the turn.

 

[dcnative]

What? Cappellini and Lanotte? Are they often overscored?

I replied to an earlier post about H/D's changes of reaching the GPF incorrectly. I was saying that C/L will be overscored so with H/D getting third place here (which was wrong IMO) means that they may not make the final at all.

To answer your question, IMO yes they are often overscored, especially on the technical side.

 

[lauravvv]

I've skated (Ice Dance exclusively) 10 years. My former coach is also an international Technical Specialist. I know a bit (Okay I'm bragging with the 2nd part, that doesn't mean anything, and I'm not trying to pick a fight don't worry )

Okay, in that case, of course, I am sorry for assuming.

In the rulebook it's said that in order to reach level4 it's clear steps, deep edges etc, but I remember seeing that you have to keep the speed during the step sequece (either you gain speed or you don't lose it). And I found that the Dist was a bit slower than what I could have imagined from V/M (I didn't find this in Latch for example, in the construction of it) and that was maybe why they got level3 even though it was very clean(I didn't see a bobble, maybe the camera angle made us not see it ?). Nothing to do with personal preference of course, I actually really liked the performance. And I didn't mean slower/faster step actually, I was really talking about keeping the speed, I think I was a bit misunderstood.

Probably I am remembering something wrong, but I think the part about speed has to do with GOE, not levels. In any case, I did not think that Tessa and Scott were slow. But the step sequences in their FD are quite difficult, and most likely can't be skated with much more speed. Not all step sequences designed for level 4 are equally difficult, that much I know. And Tessa and Scott haven't gone the easiest way in this FD, especially with the Cist.