2019 European Championships Rhythm Dance

[kevinVchicago]

Really fun to watch this with you guys! I learned a lot and also enjoyed. I thought G/F were overscored for a messy performance. And T/V, E/B and G/T really got the short end of the stick. T/V especially was too underrated!

 

[cathlen]

Smart/Diaz should be ahead of Sinitsina/Katsalapov

Why? They lost many levels. S/K won with them, because they were better in everything but twizzles.

 

[Harriet]

Gabriella PAPADAKIS / Guillaume CIZERON
Choreography by: Marie-France Dubreuil, Christopher Dean, Stephane Lambiel

Actually the choreo on this one is by Dean only; Dubreuil and Lambiel worked on their FD.

 

[kevinVchicago]

So proud of S/B and GG! [emoji122]

 

[NoNameFace]

To anyone but Team Poland!

True dat since where they can ONLY take advantage in that department over these not caring , but it is rather sad realization that GOE is now a determinant of 'the best' team out there

 

[LaArdilla]

Definitely issues with timing and speed on the 1st part of the pattern, like in Grenoble. But since levels are apparently not important it's okay I guess...

Levels 2 and 4 are actually great for a Gadbois team this season! I don’t get it why everyone has such problems with TR. Maybe they should change that Gigi woman who is their ballroom coach. The only Montreal team that has got 2 TR4 so far are Canadanes, and that was at the Nats!

 

[leilaraj]

What are they saying?

Just snarky comments all the time like ‚‘ oh they did fine here but lol they got kpNNNN‘ and laughing and they totally discredited P/C, saying they are slow in everything and that‘s why they always choose slow music, they can‘t skate fastly.. S/B are technically stronger blababla like wow chill

 

[WeakAnkles]

They are really effective, but with kpTNNY 2,41 plus on GOE? Really? So now 'fabulousness in mediocrity' is a thing?

LOL

Make that



because it is so SPOT ON to describe the new scoring system.

And we haven't even gotten to the FD yet and the ridiculously overinflated choreographic elements.

 

[ancientpeas]

I have no problem with S/K being ahead of S/D. Except for the twizzles they are a better team. Faster and more enjoyable to watch.


I'm really happy for Fear and Gibson! My British half is so happy that they are having such a great season. Can't wait to sing some Donna Summer tomorrow.

 

[WeakAnkles]

Actually the choreo on this one is by Dean only; Dubreuil and Lambiel worked on their FD.

Ah that doesn't surprise me because choreography by committee is usually a disaster.

 

[Ichatdelune]

I kinda find it weird to see P/C called GG because isn't Gordeeva/Grinkov GG

I'm still in a despondent mood sadly, but you guys are awesome and I'm glad that I can talk with you while watching. Going off to see how the Finnish team did and maybe get myself a beer

 

[leilaraj]

Why? They lost many levels. S/K won with them, because they were better in everything but twizzles.

S/D twizzles weren‘t perfect that‘s for sure but other than that they were solid and S/K with the fall they lost focus quite a bit

 

[Mirunna]

So I don't know a thing about levels, but P/C were dinged a bit: Level 2 on the steps and level 3 on twizzles for him (?)
Can someone with knowledge explain why?

Also, something is wrong with the scoring if Nikita can get level 3 on twizzles with such a fall

 

[NoNameFace]

LOL

Make that



because it is so SPOT ON to describe the new scoring system.

And we haven't even gotten to the FD yet and the ridiculously overinflated choreographic elements.

My pleasure. I really can't grasp this concept of awarding mediocre/weak technically element with huge quality score - it is a hybrid that makes more of judges and less of the team scored. But yeah, that's the game rules now and some teams already caught up listening to them. So, 'fabulousness in mediocrity' for president

 

[ancientpeas]

I find it really interesting how close S/B are to P/C in PCS. They beat them pretty strongly in TES but PCS is very close. I hope the tide isn't turning against them. ID tides can be very strong sweeping one team along and leaving the other behind.

OTOH ID needs a rivalry and the way things were going we could have all just predicted 4 straight WC for P/C and then Olympic gold and that wouldn't be very exciting for the casual viewer. Having a top Russian team and a top North American team that can challenge P/C will build drama and increase interest.

 

[Harriet]

I don’t get it why everyone has such problems with TR.

One of the reasons so many are having trouble with it, from what I've heard discussed on a couple of podcasts, is that the key points were superimposed over the top of a pattern that wasn't created with them in mind, and they're not very organic to the structure of the patterns. It's doable, but it's very hard and sometimes more like a matter of luck in terms of timing! And as I recall, the last time it was skated the key points system wasn't in place yet, so the fact that a lot of teams didn't get all those points in the pattern didn't stand out...

 

[ancientpeas]

So I don't know a thing about levels, but P/C were dinged a bit: Level 2 on the steps and level 3 on twizzles for him (?)
Can someone with knowledge explain why?

Also, something is wrong with the scoring if Nikita can get level 3 on twizzles with such a fall

Before the rule change they would have wiped out the element and they'd be down in the 60s. They changed this so that both partners are scored separately. I really wish they'd do this for pairs sbs jumps.

 

[Mohacz]

Europeans Predictions Game - Ice Dance small medals​

Curious about your predictions results after the RD? There are 87 participants in the game and the podium is as follows (there are 2 gold, 15 silver and 21 bronze medals):

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45 points ​ Baron Vladimir DenissVFan elektra blue GarthAqua Jeanie19 LadyB lutz Mohacz NoNameFace NYscorp6 ragdoll Roo87 Sabrina Sherlock Marple Spirals for Miles ​

55 points GoneWithTheWind Phireye​ ​

40 points Azcha cake CaroLiza_fan casualfan CherylDee Fluture gonewiththewind25 Hyena Koatterce LaArdilla Miriam090 moonstruck Moxiejan Nathan13 noraaa Ruby999 semosk8tfan Step Sequence4 tabsy vesperalvioletta voolfee

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Congratulations and let's see who is able to maintain the podium after the FD ​

 

[Baron Vladimir]

My pleasure. I really can't grasp this concept of awarding mediocre/weak technically element with huge quality score - it is a hybrid that makes more of judges and less of the team scored. But yeah, that's the game rules now and some teams already caught up listening to them. So, 'fabulousness in mediocrity' for president

Ok, you didn't see quite well. P/C, S/B and G/F all had the same keypoints in tango patterns. First pattern was NTYY and second was YYYY for all of them. P/C beat both in GOE and PCS, and S/B beat G/F only in PCS. I thought the scores were extremely fair to all the teams who were skating in that last group.

 

[LaArdilla]

So, the biggest shock for me was S/K, of course, and the Poles skating clean! The biggest source of joy definitely F/G getting their SB and P/C gorgeous twizzles and a lovely dress for her!