In any way, it's too soon to make a prediction about the podium. Especially for men's. For all we know, Samarin could win it. Or Aliev. Or Ignatov, or none of them.
i miss kolyada so much. yes, he is messy, but he always did good jobs at worlds.
Many of the men should take a leaf out of the training handbook the girls use. Conditioning, proper warmups, cool downs etc.
how do you know that they don't? This annoys me every time i have to read here. Lets see first how many years the girls pushing for 4 turns can keep this regime of training first. Second: Boys and girls grow up different, get through puberty different. It is the same in gymnastics: Men needs longer than the woman to get to the best of their skills, to stablize their body.
Third: Not every club has the resources sanco has.
Forth: When you have a large number to pick the best you will get better results than when you has a smaller number. Meaning that there are more girls starting to skate seriously for figure skating compared to boys. Boys can choose the more financially rewarding and with longer lasting career ice hockey.
Welp, whatever other Russian coaches do, with step-by-step approaches, seems they „fail“ at coaching boys and men just as well.
Or I don’t know what can explain the results this gpf.
well, I don’t actually think anyone’s failing at anything, but it’s not like Samsonov is the worst skater out there among men/boys in general, and certainly not among the russian ones. What’s up with these unrealistically high expectations from him in particular?
Samsonov is doing pretty well, I’ll repeat *in his first junior season*. Bronze medal at jgpf and a jwr, seems like a decent result to me. Give him a break, it’s not like Eteri‘s new junior ladies are an example of consistency either this season, they’re kids, they get nervous.
And I’m pretty sure „girls are better than boys“ wasn’t a serious remark either.
More or less what i expected, nailed a lot of positions looking back at the predictions i posted few pages back.
I'm super happy for Dima's first title, it has been a very good season for him so far, GPF performance was definitely a fluke.
Positively surprised by Danielian's free skate, that was what i thought he was always capable of, we just didn't see it until now. Very good jumps (maybe the first quad sal was a bit under, but the second one was clean), and some of the best skating skills really, the performance was there too, difficult transitions, what a talent!
Then Samarin, if we judge solely what's on the ice, i don't really understand why he is 3rd: both the short program and the free skate had mistakes and falls, and most importantly outside the jumps, there were crossovers done on messy posture, with no transitions, no performance, choreography is lacking, the jumps were all telegraphed,... and yet huge components. There were 2-3 skaters better than him here in my mind.
Even Ignatov was a bit messy in his free and tired towards the end but at least he didn't fall, i think he could have been 3rd here but i guess Russia really wanted Samarin to go to Worlds, so mission accomplished.
You misunderstood me, i'm criticizing because i very much think Samsonov could win Junior Worlds, he could win Nationals, he has the talent and the training to make that happen!
It's just a matter of good guidance, understanding what you need to do in order to skate clean, adjusting little things like the leg wrap on the jumps, and perhaps understanding that attempting over and over a jump you can rarely land is maybe not worth it.
I think this is a learning process for both the skater and the coaches, since we haven't seen yet this team coaching male skaters at the very top level.
How do you know that they don't? THIS annoys me every time i have to read here. Lets see first how many years the girls pushing for 4 turns can keep this regime of training first. Second: boys and girls grow up different, get through puberty different. It is the same in gymnastics: men needs longer than the woman to get to the best of their skills, to stablize their body.
Third: not every club has the resources Sanco has.
Forth: when you have a large number to pick the best you will get better results than when you has a smaller number. Meaning that there are more girls starting to skate seriously for figure skating compared to boys. Boys can choose the more financially rewarding and with longer lasting career ice hockey.
I really hope Ignatov can skate at Europeans at least!! But oh well... he had the chances and blew it up
Anyway, his apparent lack of stamina in the fs worries me. It shows e.g. that he is not doing
enough FULL run-throughs of his fs-program. In sp he shows how great he can be if there is no lack of stamina!
Rukavicin's skaters don't have the best stamina in the game. Even Dima struggles with his programs.
Did they announce the Euros team yet?
Rukavicin's skaters don't have the best stamina in the game. Even Dima struggles with his programs.
In light of the discussion earlier, I decided to look at Daniil's success rate on the 3A and 4Lz this season. I included his two JGP events, the Denis Ten event, the JGPF and Russian Nationals.
4Lz
- Ur fall x3 (one with a !)
- Ur x1
- step out x1
- Landed, small -ve GOE x1
4F
- Ur fall x1
- Ur x1
3A
- 3A-eu-3S clean x1
- 3A-3T clean x2
- 3A clean x5
- 3A hand down, step out x2 (one was a +REP)
- 3A step out x1
- 3A fall x2
- 1A x1
So, for the 4Lz he's only rotated it on 2/6 attempts, and hasn't got positive GOE yet (though the JGPF attempt was only -0.16). And the 4F he's only tried a couple of times, but it hasn't been rotated yet.
For the 3A, it's been clean (solo or in combo) on 8/14 attempts (57%). It's always called rotated. So it's not that consistent for him yet, but doing it in competition definitely makes sense. I get why he's doing the 4Lz, but putting it in the SP here was probably not the best idea, given the success rate (of course, it gives him more experience with it in competition - I just mean in terms of doing well at Nationals).